Congratulations to President-elect Barack Obama! It’s definitely a bittersweet day for many as it appears that Proposition 8 in California may pass. I think Prop 8 is about fear more than hate but either way, I just don’t understand it. I’m straight and married…my anniversary is today actually. Why shouldn’t anyone else, gay or straight, be entitled to forget celebrate their wedding anniversary as well? It doesn’t affect me or my life…if love and happiness are the goals, why fight against that? Seriously…don’t we have bigger issues at hand?
Happy Anniversary
….May your husband turn gay and leave you for a prettier man.
Well, playing devil’s advocate, there is nothing stopping gay people from getting married, they just have to marry the opposite sex. so they are entitled to celebrate their wedding anniversaries with the opposite sex. However, I agree that this proposal (and the one we had in MI a few years ago) should have failed. I don’t get why straight people care so much? Why shouldn’t gays have to experience divorce and misery just like the rest of us? Aren’t committed relationships always better for us than drive by one hour stands?
Im really dissapointed to ..Florida’s equivalent Amendment 2 passed. I am a straight Christian woman and its just depressing. Discrimination is never okay
Because people are more afraid of gay marriage being taught in schools (which never happened for me because it’s not required) than teaching children that we granted a group of people a civil right and voted to take it away. I can guarantee that will be taught in schools. So disappointed in my state right now.
Yes, we do have bigger issues at hand. Unfortunately people are more afraid of gay marriage being taught in schools (which doesn’t happen) than teaching children that we voted to take away a group’s civil rights (which WILL be taught as a historical event). Personally, I’m more afraid and ashamed of the latter.
Happy anniversary. Nice to know that some people can choose the right mate with and stay together……..
I totally agree! Who are we to decide someone else’s happiness when it doesn’t even affect us???
Being a Christian and American are sometimes two different things. I claim victory for my faith, but mourn for equality.
I still don’t see what the hell the church has to do with any of this. We are talking about civil unions here. There should be a division of church and state. Oppression sucks.
I am not sure that the core of this is about discrimination or about a right (being that marriage is not a right.) Can we all agree that the best scenario to raise a child is in a loving stable home with parents of the opposite sex. It should be viewed as an ideal to see how human beings of different sexes are actually fundamentally different and act and react based on there gender. I think that this debate should not be centered around denying one group, but about establishing an ideal scenario.
I’m gay, and I don’t think gays should be married.
Being gay is choice of how to pleasure one’s sex life. Gay’s don’t stay with the same person, Hell, I would’ve married 10 people in the last year if gay marriage was legal in my state. And so would’ve my gay friends.
All this is doing to do is clog up the courts even more with divorce.
Happy Anniversary Wendie!!!!
We will overcome these inhumane bans- liberty and justice for all! YES WE CAN!!! I am finally proud to be an American! Thank you Obama and all of his supporters for seeing the greatness in this country’s future! It is our duty as American’s to continue to evolve and better our country!
kinky, that doesn’t describe most gays…just someone choosing to be a slut. A gay one…yes. But still a slut. Your choice of how many to have sex with is irrelevant to orientation…just speaks to your moral code. Yep, gays have a moral code…just like straights. Shock! And your commentary is one of the things that helped this shit get where it is…the ill informed thought that all gays just on the prowl to satisfy a physical urge. How demeaning you’ve help make the perception of gays. Niiiice.
Me? I’ll fight tooth and nail because it’s only right that ALL citizens of age and with consent have the same rights as everyone else. It’s a civil rights issue every bit as important as women’s rights, ethnic rights, etc.
And even though Obama and McCain both spoke against gay marriage (???), they spoke for civil rights. How they mesh those two boggles my mind…but, they are for civil rights…it’s time to back up the rhetoric and make it happen.
Oh, and honey, faith has nothing to do with it. Bastardized religion, man made, is what is being floated about. MY FAITH is in a loving God, who made all, so yep, I am female, straight, and a Christian.
Anonymous – ideally, yes. Realistically, no. Look at all the kids born out of wedlock. We cannot make laws based on what is ideal. Take a kid out of foster care, put the child in any loving home, gay, straight, single, married, whatever, and the child will be far better off.
Iloverainy: The problem as I see it is we are calling it marriage. Gays do not want it to be called civil unions, and calling it marriage makes Catholics (and other religious groups) squeamish, because they can see the lawsuits by gays demanding they perform marriage ceremonies in their churches, synagogues, mosques, etc.
Why not keep churches out of it, call it civil unions, and be done with it? It is still a marriage, ask anyone who had a judge perform their ceremony; people don’t say they are civilly unionized. !!
And in full support of gay rights. It really shouldn’t be this hard.
Fear is a powerful opponent…so very sad. As to being raised in a home with two parents, one of each, is no guarantee of peace or morality, as evidenced by historical reference. So a mother who’s spouse dies needs to go out and find a replacement, cuz gawd forbid, she can’t handle the raising of a child on her own, instill the necessary morals and ethics on her own? Likewise, a father? Sure, it’s all well and good to have both but the comment that it takes both genders is misleading. It can be done, has been done, will continue to be done, and with a likelihood of success of any straight couple out there. Honestly, it’s time to move forward…parenthood is just an excuse to continue the bigotry, faith is as well, and fear guides it all.
There are immoral straights, gays, in betweeners, whatever. There are also upstanding citiizens on both fronts….moral and living a life productive to all society. Giving back…
Let it go and let people live…
Jay-
I being gay would know that most gays are sluts.
Fact. Most gays are in it for pleasure. Like me and my fag friends.
Ask a gay how many people they’ve had sex with. You’ll be shocked. Probably upwards of 30-50 people, depending on their age.
Gay= love of sex. not gay= love and marriage.
I can love a dog, that doesn’t me we should get married.
I too can have sex with a dog, but we won’t go there.
If you think gays should still be married than whatever I’m not going to fight you. I’ll just tell you that your wasting your time.
@kinkykawaii
Just because you, PERSONALLY, are gay does not mean you can say “Gay’s don’t stay with the same person”, you fucking moron.
A person may be gay, but they are still a person, and therefore an individual, just as a bisexual or straight person is, and as an individual make choices influencing their life, FOR EXAMPLE having a long-term relationship or playing the field.
Kinky, I suspect you’re not even gay but playing a sad game. More power to you but it’s pitiful to joke around with something so important to people that are. Can’t figure out why someone gets pleasure from the suffering of others but that’s for you and your apparent non-existent conscious. And sadly, you no doubt voted. Just plain fucking scary and shows what an interesting road ahead there is….ignorance is definitely not bliss.
I’d say peace! but you wouldn’t know the meaning….
I disagree with all of you!!! Giving gays the right to get married affects my line of work
ADOPTION!!!!!
Just like other americans we dont believe a young boy should watch two men kissing everyday!
i totally support the idea of gay marriage, but there are so many people out there that are born of a different time that can’t comprehend it. Things are changing at snails pace really, but at least they are changing i guess.
It’s a good thing popular culture is starting to recognize ideas that are not so mainstream and making the rest of the world understand.
I totally believe in gay marriage, but i’ve encountered so many people that think it will diminish the sanctity of marriage and eventually cause many problems.
It’s a step by step process i guess. I hope the next generation gets to realize the judgement-free, equal right society that we crave now…
Also @ kinky, your individual opinion isn’t the standard for gays everywhere…
I appreciate that you are trying to make others understand where you are coming from, but if you spoke more intelligently, maybe others would listen..
It is extremely IGNORANT to state that gays are sluts. Sexual preference doesn’t give direct correlation to promiscuity.
It’s so sad to me that you exist so misinformed.
Most gay people have $$$. But that will all change, because it will be easier to adopt. Having children makes ungays broke. Welcome to the poor house
To be honest, I don’t believe in marriage PERIOD. It should all be abolished.
Why?
Because it was established by the fucking church. I hate religion and anyone involved in it. I do not want to be a part of a religious institution.
Could you imagine how free everyone would be? Marriage is confine. Why would I want to be confined? Why would I want to be with just one person when there are many, many people out there that I would be just as good with? I feel so liberated knowing that I can do what I please with my personal love life and not have to have answer from anyone. If it could be this way for everyone, the world would be a much better place.
And for those gays who actually love each other, few they may be, I have yet to understand why they want to blend into society?! We are so different from the rest. I am proud to be gay, and proud to stand against anything conventional.
Marriage doesn’t even work for straight people, why would it work for gays?
THEN DON’T GET MARRIED, FUCKTARD. Don’t tell other people how to live their lives.
kinkykawaii, I am guessing you are young, as your views are very immature, and expressed without thought or reasonable explanation.
You live in a world that is built on the foundations of religion, whatever religion that may be. You hate anyone involved in it? Then you hate a hell of a lot of people. What a pig-headed little view you have, hating someone solely on their beliefs. Clearly the fact that same-sex marriage was forbidden for so long, and still is in many countries, is not the cause of your hatred (that I could even understand) as you “don’t believe in marriage PERIOD”.
I can imagine how free everyone would be, a world without marriage no matter what gender. I can also imagine all the unwanted pregnancies and STI’s that would come along with such a “free” world, and that is just the start of it.
Your penultimate paragraph leads me to believe that you are not gay through sexual preference alone, but because you want to make a statement, just as you want your views to make statements. Why would gays not want to blend into society? That is what we are fighting for, and I mean we as a world; equality of ALL kinds, be it race or sex or anything else.
THAT would make the world a better place, not your ridiculous theory. Gays are not different from the rest, that is the point. We are all people, as I said in my previus comment.
And maybe you should stop generalising everything; my grandparents have been married since they were in their 20s, and they are in their 80s now. Clearly marriage works for them.
kinkykawaii : ALL MARRIAGE SHOULD BE ABOLISHED
Marriage comes from religon. Were is the separation between church and state.
I’m 23. And I live my girlfriends. There are three of us, in an open relationship, which is how is should be! As I said before it is true freedom when you are not confined by marriage! Which I think is a fucking good explanation.
And unwanted pregnancy and STD’s are common anyway.
Gay are different in an awesome way! It’s a truelly beautiful thing. We rise above the rest with our free lifestyles. We have no religion. We have no ball and chain called marriage. It’s sad that your saying other gays want to be fucking mundane like the straight people. Which I don’t believe is true.
Marriage only works for the elderly because their ancient. It doesn’t apply to this generation.
You are saying equality in marriage and I am saying everyone should have equality with no marriage period. I still want equality, just in a different way.
^ Rebel much?
Turns out, I’m actually younger than you are, by several years. There I was thinking you were like, 14.
So at 23, you are coming out with things such as “It’s sad that your saying other gays want to be fucking mundane like the straight people.” I don’t know whether you are sheltered or just phenomenally stupid.
And I don’t really understand how being attracted to and sharing your life with (or hopping from one to the next, depending on preference) someone of the same sex is any more exhilirating or exciting than someone of the opposite; it is a personal choice.
And if you are gay, then how can you say straight people are “mundane”? You’re not straight, so how can you make that judgement? And assuming you have had a straight relationship (or more than one) to come to this conclusion, has it occurred to you that your staight relationship may have just crap? ;)
Who are the idiots who made a religious sacrament a law anyway?
Hmm, whats next?
Are we going to legalize baptisms or barmitzvas?
How far are is religion going to its dick into our governments ass. This is the reason why immigrants from all over the world come here(RELIGOUS FREEDOM). We got god out of the classroom.. NOW CAN SOMEONE PLEASE REMOVE HIM FROM THE COURTROOM
may have just been* crap, even.
Also, there are plenty of straight people out there in open relationships who are all atheists.
Are they living the same “free, awesome, truly beautiful” lifestyle you are?
Or is it “mundane”, because it is a same-sex open relationship.
And what about if, for example, we have an atheist female currently having sexual relations with both a male and a female? Is she mundane? Or is she even more awesome than you, ‘casue she has a bit of both?
why do people throw around faith so much? Ever read the new testament? You know Jesus would be all about gay marriage. Love your neighbor as thyself; treat others the way you want to be treated…… HELLO
Jesus is mad at all of you for being so narrow-minded and hateful… but he will forgive you… he is jesus after all
and kinky, you should be ashamed that you think gay people should have less rights. think of your gay friends that aren’t huge whores… they might want to get married.
after your line of:I can love a dog, that doesn’t me we should get married.
I too can have sex with a dog, but we won’t go there.
UHHH Anyone else think that Kinky is full of shit and is just someone else posing? I’m calling it.
stupid faker. you know lying is a sin too, riiiiight?
I’ve had multiple straight relationships yes, but they were all open too. There is nothing wrong with an open relationship. And they didn’t suck, I just decided that vaginas are wayy more exciting.
If there is a straight person living a free lifestyle, that wants to ban marriage because of its connections with religion, than that is awesome.
Its the same-sex religious bullshit relationships that are mundane. I base my morals on my opinion, therefore your God (whatever or whoever he is) and his morals has no meaning to me.
And if there is an atheist female in an open relationship with a male and female, then props to her.
It’s marriage I have the problem with here, if your not understanding that.
Actually, ThatLisa, I was so baffled by the complete idiocy of that post i didn’t even comment on it.
“Gay= love of sex. not gay= love and marriage.”
That does not even make any sense! I love sex…with my boyfriend. I am a girl. Do I class myself gay now? And what about George Takei, the Star Trek actor. He loves and is married to his male partner, but according to Kinky he is “not gay”?
WTF!?
@kinkykawaii
Well maybe if you didnt come out with such things as “fucking mundane like the straight people”, which has NOTHING TO DO WITH MARRIAGE BUT OF A SEXUAL PREFERENCE, I might be “understanding that”.
But it is hard to concentrate on that issue when you say things like “I too can have sex with a dog, but we won’t go there”, which has nothing to do with this debate in the slightest, I tend to lose a lot of respect for your opinion.
Kinky, it’s cool you personally don’t wish to be married. Lots of straight and gay people don’t. BUT, the caveat to the issue is that the CHOICE should be there. It’s only right, it’s fair, it’s constitutional. Yes, constitutional. But that document is being maliciously adjusted to reflect only one point of view. This is how they come for you and your views and rights. Keep the light, honey, cuz who knows what will fall next…
Un-fucking-believable…
I probably didn’t state that clear enough now that I look at it.
Gay=
Love of sex and love of that person.
Not
Gay=
Love and the marriage of the person.
Marriage infringes on a gays free rights. (And as you pointed out a free thinking straights right.)
Since our country believes in separation of church and state, marriage should be abolished.
kinkykwawaii you are disgusting
Congrats to everyone on Obama’s win!
Haters!! Congrats on the anniversary!!
People spend to much time worried about what other people do. From another article I read on this website some of you people may need to move to Mass. and pick up a new hobby, smoking pot! From what I read, need to do some fact checking, under an oz you are off the hook.
Oh, and what does it matter if two people get married? Does it affect your life in any way? I am going to say no.
NO ONE should have a fucking vote on whether or not I can marry someone of the same gender. These are my rights as a human being, who the hell do you people think you are? I am no different than any of you no matter how hard you pretend that I am. You’re terrible, terrible, selfish, ignorant people. Shame on you for judging me and taking away my freedom as an American.
They should have the same rights we do, PERIOD.
Kinky, I would love to have a conversation with you in ten years and see where you are. When I was 23 I also had a love of sex with different partners (though mundanely same-sex), an agnostic viewpoint, and an aversion to marriage. Something about maturing tends to change those things.
I also think that your view of gays and marriage speaks more loudly about the people with whom you associate than most people’s reality, but that is just my opinion.
Bottom line, it’s not an issue about how relationships work in our society. The idea of keeping marriage sacred is a joke at this point, just ask Britney Spears and Elizabeth Taylor. They are just two of hundreds of thousands that have made a mockery of marriage. The issue at hand is that ALL PEOPLE deserve to have the same rights regardless of color, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation.
You, kinky, can choose not to marry, but you should NOT have the right to choose for anyone other than yourself.
Californians disappointed me greatly today.
kinkykawaii is such a slut! tee hee heeeee!! stfu cunt.
you choose to be in open relationships. i choose to get married. different opinions? YES. different civl liberties? NO. at the end of the day, you don’t want your government telling you how to live your personal life and neither do i.
This most definitely is a Civil Rights issue and violation. Closing off a group of people to the rights of others simply because of something they have no control over. This is why Civil Rights should not be up for a vote, the majority will always vote to suppress the minority. They are scared of change, a lot of those that voted McCain are also afraid of change. Both Obama and Biden opposed prop 8, they also oppose nationalized gay marriage, at the federal level. Instead preferring for each state to decide when they are comfortable with allowing same-sex marriage. It’s extremely unconstitutional under the 14th amendment. Very similar to Perez v. Sharp (Look it up) 69% of African-Americans voted for prop 8, though trends show that African-Americans are not very interested in the well beings of other minorities so that is not a real surprise. 61% of first-time voters voted No. At least this means the old way of thinking is dying out. Also, to those of you saying yes on prop 8 people would not fight if it didn’t pass…Flint himself said if it was close (400,000 votes is pretty damn close) they would continue trying to press the issue. It doesn’t take a genius to realize, at the rate things are going gay marriage will be legal in the United States by 2012. Do the math for yourself if you don’t believe me.
A big fuck you to all neo-cons. Go start your wars with your Christian dollars instead of tax payer’s money. Obama is now the man. :D
Obama is also a Christian.
My two cents for what it’s worth.
I feel that religious arguments against gay marriage are irrelevant. In America, we have separation of church and state. There is religious marriage (in a place of worship with a religious leader), each religious institution sets the rules for who can marry there (ex: some churches marry homosexual, some don’t.). Then there is civil marriage (state marriage licenses), which corresponds to the rights bestowed on married couples (visitation in hospitals, family insurance, etc.) Why should religious arguments bare standing in a debate over civil marriage?
A counterargument may be that the privileges granted to married couples are made readily available to homosexuals via civil unions/domestic partnerships. Even so, federal benefits are not granted because of DOMA, but I’ll ignore that and assume hypothetically that the unions are equal in terms of rights bestowed. Flashback to the Jim Crows laws and “separate but equal.” While many times facilities for African Americans were inferior to those for whites, it could be possible that say, a water fountain for African Americans worked equally as well as the one for whites. When the Supreme Court overturned Jim Crow, they ruled that the idea of “separate but equal,” hinted at things being inherently unequal, and the undue pain and shame it might have caused to those being separated was alone enough to overturn Jim Crow. Thus, translating this to the marriage today, while marriage and civil unions may be equal on paper, the potential for pain and shame caused by separation is enough to mandate integration.
The whole proposition 8 thing disgusts me to no end… ugh! And happy anniversary Wendie! I think it’s cool your anniversary is on Guy Fawkes Day.
Caz2….. I know… I am a straight female, 25, and ADORE sex with my boyfriend… like way more than anyone should :) oh, and for YEARS of my life, I had many flings…. never any commitment… whatever… so I can understand not wanting to be tied down or whatever….. but I STILL DON’T THINK OTHER PEOPLE SHOULDN’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED… even if I don’t want to
I guess I am “gay” too…. cuz I love sex and don’t want to get married.
happy anniversary Wendie :)
oh and sometimes…. yet again…. I SO AGREE WITH YOU. i love your comments
kinky, go on being a slut, that’s awesome for you, whatever. how would you like if someone tried to outlaw you being a slut? or having sex with girls? would that be okay to you?
oh, and I think that you are an idiot. If I haven’t been clear enough in this. and I still cannot help to believe that you are not who you say you are…. and are just completely full of shit and making shit up just for arguments sake….. regardless…. you=GROSS
@kinkykawaii
i think that your strong anti-marriage feelings are preventing you from understanding that this issue boils down to whether minority groups should have equal rights under the law.
so let’s say this proposition was about driver’s licenses. let’s say you don’t want to drive a car yourself. would you support a proposition that eliminated the rights of all gay people in your state to drive a car? (only straight people could drive).
or let’s say this proposition was about owning a home. let’s say you don’t want to own a home yourself. would you support a proposition that eliminated the rights of all gay people to own a home?
i hope this is clearer now, because what we’re talking about is Equal Rights!
Kinky you are a giant cunt.
I am female and gay. I do NOT care how you live your life or how you would like to live your life, but it actually makes me cringe with anger and disapointment that you would say such shite!
It’s not easy growing up in this time being gay and it is horrible not being accepted, you will be aware of this. Us gays have fought for acceptance for soo long and your willing to let your own kind suffer just because you would rather be a silly little slag?
I’d love to settle down and marry a woman one day, so would many other gays men or woman. Just cause it aint for you doesn’t mean we all want to have numerous lovers/sex buddies what ever the fuck you want to call them!
Personally i’d love to ram my fist into your face for being such a selfish bastard!